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		<title>Comment on Crowdfunding won&#8217;t hurt you by Crowdfunding</title>
		<link>http://filmfwd.com/2011/06/crowdfunding-wont-hurt-you/#comment-249</link>
		<dc:creator>Crowdfunding</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jul 2011 10:33:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be wrong to say that Crowdfunding is the golden ticket to funding your business because it isn’t. Crowdsourcing takes a lot of work and it relies on you having a pre-existing audience or being able to build one very quickly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be wrong to say that Crowdfunding is the golden ticket to funding your business because it isn’t. Crowdsourcing takes a lot of work and it relies on you having a pre-existing audience or being able to build one very quickly.</p>
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		<title>Comment on I never liked you, and I always will.* by Chris Thilk</title>
		<link>http://filmfwd.com/2011/06/i-never-liked-you-and-i-always-will/#comment-242</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Thilk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2011 21:26:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for passing that post along, Laure. Yeah, you&#039;re right, while I was certainly aiming at bigger fish there are, as usual, lessons for marketers and those selling their wares of any shape and size.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for passing that post along, Laure. Yeah, you&#8217;re right, while I was certainly aiming at bigger fish there are, as usual, lessons for marketers and those selling their wares of any shape and size.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Transmedia tools: Storify Social Media Storytelling by Laure</title>
		<link>http://filmfwd.com/2011/04/transmedia-tools-storify-social-media-storytelling/#comment-209</link>
		<dc:creator>Laure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2011 00:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Rob.  I think you have good points.  The challenge, as we will no doubt see over the next year or two, is to tell the tools from the opportunities they present.  What I made was somewhat &#039;on the fly&#039; but I think Storify has potential to be used more creatively if it furthers your story.  &quot;Transmedia&quot; is a term that doesn&#039;t mean much- but finding ways to engage an audience with new tools or outside of the linear narrative can be a lot of fun and bring depth and richness to the story you might have previously limited to one format.  Thanks for your comments!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Rob.  I think you have good points.  The challenge, as we will no doubt see over the next year or two, is to tell the tools from the opportunities they present.  What I made was somewhat &#8216;on the fly&#8217; but I think Storify has potential to be used more creatively if it furthers your story.  &#8220;Transmedia&#8221; is a term that doesn&#8217;t mean much- but finding ways to engage an audience with new tools or outside of the linear narrative can be a lot of fun and bring depth and richness to the story you might have previously limited to one format.  Thanks for your comments!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Transmedia tools: Storify Social Media Storytelling by Robert Shaver</title>
		<link>http://filmfwd.com/2011/04/transmedia-tools-storify-social-media-storytelling/#comment-208</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Shaver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2011 20:35:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s kind of funny ... the very next post I clicked on was titled Transmedia Storytelling is Bullshit...
http://www.mikejones.tv/journal/2011/4/4/transmedia-storytelling-is-bullshit.html

I&#039;m not saying I agree ... just started reading it ... just saying it&#039;s kind&#039;a funny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s kind of funny &#8230; the very next post I clicked on was titled Transmedia Storytelling is Bullshit&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://www.mikejones.tv/journal/2011/4/4/transmedia-storytelling-is-bullshit.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mikejones.tv/journal/2011/4/4/transmedia-storytelling-is-bullshit.html</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying I agree &#8230; just started reading it &#8230; just saying it&#8217;s kind&#8217;a funny.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Transmedia tools: Storify Social Media Storytelling by Robert Shaver</title>
		<link>http://filmfwd.com/2011/04/transmedia-tools-storify-social-media-storytelling/#comment-207</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Shaver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2011 20:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What am I missing? Your story looks like many other blog posts I&#039;ve seen. You&#039;ve got text plus some pictures and some broken links. (The link on your first Flickr picture is broken.)

Well, it looks like a comment stream actually. Makes it look like the author&#039;s of the tweets came to your blog and posted. Try as I might, I still find tweets shallow ... how deep can you get in 140 characters?

I looked at the Storyfy site but didn&#039;t find any of the &quot;stories&quot; on their front page at all compelling.

So thanks for covering the latest trend. I think I&#039;m just not a trendy kind of guy.

Peace,

Rob:-]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What am I missing? Your story looks like many other blog posts I&#8217;ve seen. You&#8217;ve got text plus some pictures and some broken links. (The link on your first Flickr picture is broken.)</p>
<p>Well, it looks like a comment stream actually. Makes it look like the author&#8217;s of the tweets came to your blog and posted. Try as I might, I still find tweets shallow &#8230; how deep can you get in 140 characters?</p>
<p>I looked at the Storyfy site but didn&#8217;t find any of the &#8220;stories&#8221; on their front page at all compelling.</p>
<p>So thanks for covering the latest trend. I think I&#8217;m just not a trendy kind of guy.</p>
<p>Peace,</p>
<p>Rob:-]</p>
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		<title>Comment on ZENITH &amp; How to Give Away Your Film to a Paying Audience by VODO BOT</title>
		<link>http://filmfwd.com/2011/03/zenith-how-to-give-away-your-film-to-a-paying-audience/#comment-183</link>
		<dc:creator>VODO BOT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Mar 2011 11:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey! Thanks for the coverage. Some points though:

&quot;CP is putting the first third of the film up for free through Vodo and Bittorrent.&quot; 

All of Zenith will be released by VODO over a three month period. The idea of creating a miniseries from the film has evolved from the experience we had with our series Pioneer One (vo.do/pioneerone), which has earned over $60,000 through the site so far. Distributing as a miniseries has the advantage of sustaining attention on the film over a longer period of time.

&gt;The basic idea here is familiar- the “drug dealer model” in &gt;which the unwitting viewer will become so enraptured by the &gt;free taste of the film that she will be forced to go looking in &gt;dark alleys (or on iTunes) for satisfaction.

That is not in any way the model we are deploying here, as vo.do/zenith clearly states. The first part is indeed free-to-share, as are all the remaining parts. Members of the audience who really like the film and want to get involved can sponsor the release of the next episode in return for various levels of credits in that episode. ($25 gets you a &quot;thank you to&quot; credit; $300 gets you an &quot;Executive Producer&quot; credit, for example. Credits run before the VODO distribution alone, in this case.)

The aim is to raise $10,000 per episode before releasing the next one, but this is not a hard limit. As the film has so far raised about $4900 in its first ten days or so, it looks highly possible that it will meet its target. If that performance is continued across the release of all three episodes and the extra feature, it seems possible the film can make $30,000-$40,000 through the VODO distribution alone. 

&gt;The film has been downloaded 455545 times through Vodo and has &gt;gotten $4808 in donations. I’m not sure how pleasing that math &gt;seems- does a penny a view cover the bandwidth? (Sorry, I &gt;forgot, it’s P2P!) 

Yes, P2P means the bandwidth is entirely underwritten by the distributing community. It is interesting to reflect that the value of the bandwidth audiences have donated to distribute the film almost certainly exceeds its production budget. This begs the question of who is &quot;producing&quot; and who is &quot;consuming&quot; value in this case. The answer, I think, is not so simple: in the P2P paradigm, we are all distributors, and creators should recognize the importance of the audience/peers in adding value to their work.

This brings up the related and implied adherence to the one view/one pay model you, by implication, adhere to. It is an anachronism. As domestic bandwidth speeds increase and digital storage becomes cheaper and more capacious, media of all kinds begins to surround and pervade our lifeworlds. The idea that someone is going to pay a toll for every file stored on every disk they own, or with which they come in contact in the course of their day, will soon seem atavistic. If you can store the entire output of the Hollywood studio system on a disk the size of a thumbnail, and transfer it to someone else in the blink of an eye, who is going to regulate those transfers and check the the correct toll has been applied to every tiny file, even if each of those represents a movie, an artist, a career? 
  
No, the future is in garnering large audiences via free-to-share and then engaging those audiences in value propositions around supporting the artist, the distribution, the creations. It bears consideration that the people who are sponsoring productions on VODO often pay far more than the price of a DVD or the $12.99 to watch the film on iTunes. Precisely _because_ the hard divide between Producer and Consumer is breaking down, they feel their involvement in the success of the show can merit a greater contribution. As for the &quot;lost&quot; downloads, I&#039;m not sure they were really lost -- but perhaps that&#039;s a topic for another rant.

VODO artists remain free to distribute however they like within our non-exclusive arrangement. But If you circle back around later and check VODO&#039;s against the iTunes revenue once the film has spent some time on there, I think you&#039;ll be interested in the result. 

If you would correct the erroneous elements of your piece, it would be much appreciated. Thanks again. 

VODO ROBOT #1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey! Thanks for the coverage. Some points though:</p>
<p>&#8220;CP is putting the first third of the film up for free through Vodo and Bittorrent.&#8221; </p>
<p>All of Zenith will be released by VODO over a three month period. The idea of creating a miniseries from the film has evolved from the experience we had with our series Pioneer One (vo.do/pioneerone), which has earned over $60,000 through the site so far. Distributing as a miniseries has the advantage of sustaining attention on the film over a longer period of time.</p>
<p>&gt;The basic idea here is familiar- the “drug dealer model” in &gt;which the unwitting viewer will become so enraptured by the &gt;free taste of the film that she will be forced to go looking in &gt;dark alleys (or on iTunes) for satisfaction.</p>
<p>That is not in any way the model we are deploying here, as vo.do/zenith clearly states. The first part is indeed free-to-share, as are all the remaining parts. Members of the audience who really like the film and want to get involved can sponsor the release of the next episode in return for various levels of credits in that episode. ($25 gets you a &#8220;thank you to&#8221; credit; $300 gets you an &#8220;Executive Producer&#8221; credit, for example. Credits run before the VODO distribution alone, in this case.)</p>
<p>The aim is to raise $10,000 per episode before releasing the next one, but this is not a hard limit. As the film has so far raised about $4900 in its first ten days or so, it looks highly possible that it will meet its target. If that performance is continued across the release of all three episodes and the extra feature, it seems possible the film can make $30,000-$40,000 through the VODO distribution alone. </p>
<p>&gt;The film has been downloaded 455545 times through Vodo and has &gt;gotten $4808 in donations. I’m not sure how pleasing that math &gt;seems- does a penny a view cover the bandwidth? (Sorry, I &gt;forgot, it’s P2P!) </p>
<p>Yes, P2P means the bandwidth is entirely underwritten by the distributing community. It is interesting to reflect that the value of the bandwidth audiences have donated to distribute the film almost certainly exceeds its production budget. This begs the question of who is &#8220;producing&#8221; and who is &#8220;consuming&#8221; value in this case. The answer, I think, is not so simple: in the P2P paradigm, we are all distributors, and creators should recognize the importance of the audience/peers in adding value to their work.</p>
<p>This brings up the related and implied adherence to the one view/one pay model you, by implication, adhere to. It is an anachronism. As domestic bandwidth speeds increase and digital storage becomes cheaper and more capacious, media of all kinds begins to surround and pervade our lifeworlds. The idea that someone is going to pay a toll for every file stored on every disk they own, or with which they come in contact in the course of their day, will soon seem atavistic. If you can store the entire output of the Hollywood studio system on a disk the size of a thumbnail, and transfer it to someone else in the blink of an eye, who is going to regulate those transfers and check the the correct toll has been applied to every tiny file, even if each of those represents a movie, an artist, a career? </p>
<p>No, the future is in garnering large audiences via free-to-share and then engaging those audiences in value propositions around supporting the artist, the distribution, the creations. It bears consideration that the people who are sponsoring productions on VODO often pay far more than the price of a DVD or the $12.99 to watch the film on iTunes. Precisely _because_ the hard divide between Producer and Consumer is breaking down, they feel their involvement in the success of the show can merit a greater contribution. As for the &#8220;lost&#8221; downloads, I&#8217;m not sure they were really lost &#8212; but perhaps that&#8217;s a topic for another rant.</p>
<p>VODO artists remain free to distribute however they like within our non-exclusive arrangement. But If you circle back around later and check VODO&#8217;s against the iTunes revenue once the film has spent some time on there, I think you&#8217;ll be interested in the result. </p>
<p>If you would correct the erroneous elements of your piece, it would be much appreciated. Thanks again. </p>
<p>VODO ROBOT #1</p>
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		<title>Comment on People with Answers: Human Resources for Filmmakers by admin</title>
		<link>http://filmfwd.com/2010/08/people-with-answers-human-resources-for-filmmakers/#comment-49</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 14:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shooting People is awesome and there are a host of other great networking organizations.  I may get inspired to write another post!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shooting People is awesome and there are a host of other great networking organizations.  I may get inspired to write another post!</p>
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		<title>Comment on People with Answers: Human Resources for Filmmakers by Ingrid Kopp</title>
		<link>http://filmfwd.com/2010/08/people-with-answers-human-resources-for-filmmakers/#comment-48</link>
		<dc:creator>Ingrid Kopp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 17:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://shootingpeople.org&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Shooting People!&lt;/a&gt; We connect filmmakers online and offline. We don&#039;t have a forum but we do have daily email bulletins and members can contact each other directly via the website to ask questions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://shootingpeople.org" rel="nofollow">Shooting People!</a> We connect filmmakers online and offline. We don&#8217;t have a forum but we do have daily email bulletins and members can contact each other directly via the website to ask questions.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Privacy I(ndependent)s by admin</title>
		<link>http://filmfwd.com/2010/05/privacy-independents/#comment-47</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 May 2010 19:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do agree and in fact Astra Taylor &amp; I have been planning (or planningish) a Tech Day for filmmakers and artists where this would be a big topic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do agree and in fact Astra Taylor &#038; I have been planning (or planningish) a Tech Day for filmmakers and artists where this would be a big topic.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Privacy I(ndependent)s by Brian Newman</title>
		<link>http://filmfwd.com/2010/05/privacy-independents/#comment-46</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Newman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 May 2010 15:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Laure - this is a conversation we need. I disagree that it should be at film festivals, as I don&#039;t think you get enough traction. It should be online and via video if possible. We just did a debate on Ipad and creativity on my roof, which will post in about a week. I suggest we have a debate/talk about this in person with some folks, tape it and put it on Vimeo. Whatcha think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Laure &#8211; this is a conversation we need. I disagree that it should be at film festivals, as I don&#8217;t think you get enough traction. It should be online and via video if possible. We just did a debate on Ipad and creativity on my roof, which will post in about a week. I suggest we have a debate/talk about this in person with some folks, tape it and put it on Vimeo. Whatcha think?</p>
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